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Search No. 1320 - Layton Crew - "Everybody's Baby"

From: Francis SEIDEL,
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 7:17 AM
Subject: LAYTON crew, B17G 70BO 43-37755 , 379BG 526 BS crash in Sovet (Ciney) at September 13 1944

Dear looking 4

I contact you from Belgium, I'm searching to identify an aviator dropping around the village off Gesves (10km far from CINEY and 2O km far from the city of NAMUR in Belgium)
My father who was living in Gesves in 1944, was a Belgian gendarmerie S/officier. He was in the Secret Army and holp many aviators, and one of them in September 44
I have only photos of him, with my father, and another US soldier, but no indication about the Name and Unit of this aviator. In my search, a friend gives me documentation about Robert LAYTON Crew and The B17G: 70BO 43-37755 from 379BG 526 BS crashed at Sovet (Ciney) at September 13 1944. (See in attach )
I contact you to verify if this man on the photos was or not a member of the R. LAYTON crew
Thank you for every think
Francis SEIDEL


Francis -
Association records for a/c 43-37755, "Everybody's Baby" show she participated in the mission of 13 September 1944 to Merseburg, Germany, and the synthetic oil plants. Following the loss of all engines, and injuries to the Bombardier, Engineer, and Tail Gunner by flak, the a/c crash landed near the town of Sovet, Belgium. Crew of "Everybody's Baby" for this mission was as follows:

Layton, Robert F, Cpt, Pilot
Greiner, Harold D, Lt, Co-Pilot
Ehlers, Wayne F, Lt, Nav
Chong, Anthony S, Lt, Nav
Carruth, Thomas A, Lt, Bomb
Morgan, Jack H, TSgt, Radio Op
Kozuszko, John (NMI), TSgt, Top Turret
Shaeffer, Lloyd E, SSgt, Ball Turret
McCarthy, Raymond J, SSgt, Waist
Hagen, Robert G, Lt, Tail/Formation Control

Robert Layton, Dean Greiner, Wayne Ehlers, and Tony Chong are on our current Association roster. Your photos (attached) were sent to these crewmembers in the hope that they could identify the airmen. Unfortunately, none of these Association members were able to identify either man in your photos as from the 379th Bomb Group. Dean Greiner provided the following information:

"We crash landed, with one engine still working, in a field just outside Ciney, Belgium. We were transported to a field hospital near there. The wounded were taken care of and we spent the night in a tent hospital. The next day we caught the Red Ball Express back to Paris.

I had never before met any of the crew except Bob Layton. I do not recognize either of the gentlemen in the pictures. I never saw any police uniform at our wreck."

Wayne Ehlers wrote:

"I do not recognize any of the people in the photos you enclosed, and I am almost certain that they are not from the crew of "Everybody's Baby".

The Belgian people were wonderful and men from the Belgian underground and some Benedictine brothers put us in touch with some Americans at APO 154 Post Office about 7 kilometers away. We had supper with them and then rode with some medics to the 24th Evac. Hospital just west of Dinant. After getting all our wounded cared for we spent the night there. The next morning we went into Dinant and hitch-hiked a ride on an empty weapons carrier on the Red Ball Express route."

Sorry, but it does not appear that the men in your photos are from "Everybody's Baby". This response will be posted in the "Looking 4" section of our website, in case any members have any additional information.

Responding 4 2/2/2006

Search No. 1319 - Phillip Moore

From: Thornton, Steve,
To: ''
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 2:31 PM
Subject: Looking for crewmates of T/Sgt Phillip Moore Top Turret Gunner with 525th

I'm trying to locate former crewmen who served with my father in law, Phillip Moore. He is in failing health and we'd like to locate crewmates, photos of the aircraft he was assigned, and hopefully the number of the planes. He recently told us that his last plane was a B-17G, and then added that it was their fifth plane. I understand he tried to make contact several years back, and did receive a phone call, but that's as far as he got. Thanks in advance for your help.

Steve Thornton

Steve -
Association records for Phillip Moore show that he flew 30 missions as gunner with the 525th Bomb Squadron from January 1 to April 7, 1945. Records indicate missions number 259, 261, 263, 264, 265, 267, 268, 271, 273, 276, 277, 281, 282, 284, 288, 290, 292, 293, 294, 295, 297, 301, 303, 304, 311, 313, 315, 317, 318, and 319. Sgt. Moore may have flown additional missions, but these are the ones we have in our records.

Sgt Moore flew missions on a number of different aircraft, including 42-38183, "The Lost Angel", 43-38724, "The B-17 Flying Fortress", 43-38679, "Miss Liberty", 43-39061, "Round Twip Wabbit", 43-37777, "Four of a Kind" and 44-8900, "Carico Joe". There were also a number of missions on unnamed aircraft.
Sgt Moore's crew seems to have varied somewhat, but what looks to be his "regular" crew on his later missions was as follows:

Elledge, George H, 2nd Lt, Pilot
Dull, Frank J, 2nd Lt, Co-Pilot
Freedman, Robert L, F/O, Nav
Williams, William T, 2nd Lt, Bomb
Ebner, Kenneth F, TSgt, Radio Op
Moore, Phillip, TSgt, Top Turret
Youd, Ivan M, SSgt, Ball Turret
Cipriano, James E, SSgt, Waist
Martin Jr., Francis W, Sgt, Tail

Sorry, none of these crewmen are on our current Association roster. This response will be posted in the "Looking 4" section of our website, in case any members have any additional information. Photos of "Miss Liberty" and "Four of a Kind" will be sent in separate e-mail. Sorry, we do not have photos of the other aircraft.

Responding 4 1/25/2006

Search No.  1318 - Eugene Hall - Stupefier

From: Henry G. Wulbeck,
To: ''
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006
Subject: Eugene Hall

I've been researching the internet regarding my late uncle, Gene Hall, a waist gunner in the 379 th bomb group. I think he was in the 525 th b.s..

Gene was there from March of '43 to approx Christmas '43 + under the command of Col. Maurice Preston. They were in the worst of it, including the Schweinfurt missions. His aircraft was a B-17 F named the "Stupefier". He completed all of his missions.

I recently discovered thru Army Air ( a friend of the ship's bombardier ), that the 8th AF Historical Society Museum in Georgia was presented with a metal model of the "Stupefier", by Peggy Convine of Huntingdon, U.K. The metal model was made from salvaged metal from the crash site of the Stupefier. After the original crew completed their missions, a replacement crew later crashed / landed in a farm in Huntingdon, U.K. Gene had heard that it was involved in a mid air collision. I'm curious to know if any 379th members are familiar with the "Stupefier" & the crash. Also would be interested in mission reports during Gene's combat tour & subsequent reports of the crash. The Jan. 1944 News clipping of Gene in the waist window also indicates some of the tail numbers : 29323 - or - 29823, or other variations. The combat group photo indicates the original Stupefier was an 'F' series. The metal model is a replica of a later 'G' series & the tail numbers are different. I'm also curious to know if there was a Stupefier II

Thanks for any help,
Henry G. Wulbeck

Henry -
Association records for Eugene Hall show that he flew 25 missions as gunner with the 526th Bomb Squadron from June 11 to December 5, 1943. Records indicate missions number 2, 6, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 23, 24, 26, 27, 31, 37, 38, 39, 43, 44, 45, and 46. Sgt. Hall may have flown additional missions, but these are the ones we have in our records.

Sgt Hall flew missions on a number of different aircraft, although most were flown on a/c 42-29890, "Stupefier". This aircraft was a B-17F, and is listed in Association records as having crash landed in a field adjacent to Station 117 (Kimbolton) on the return from Mission 36 to Anklam, with another crew on board . What looks to be Sgt Hall's "regular" crew was as follows:

Hooper, Martin L, Lt, Pilot
Haughy, Robert F, Lt, Co-Pilot
Condon, William F, Lt, Nav
Bolling, James A, Lt, Bomb
Colborn Jr., Harry R, TSgt, Radio Op
Hoge, Everett J, TSgt, Top Turret
Furness, Warren E, SSgt, Ball Turret
Richmond, Harold A, SSgt, Right Waist
Hall, Eugene G, SSgt, Left Waist
Sedivy Jr., John H, SSgt, Tail

This response will be posted in the "Looking 4" section of our website, in case any members have any additional information. Sorry, we do not know of any photo of "Stupefier", nor do we have additional information on the crash. There was a "Stupefier II", assigned to the 379th on October 19, 1943. This was a G model, s/n 42-39789. This aircraft returned to the US in December 1944.

Responding 4 1/25/2006

Search No. 1317 - William Sibo

From: James,
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 10:07 AM
Subject: William Sibo

I am looking for any information I can get about the type of aircraft (B-17F or B-17G), and what Squadron Sgt. William Sibo (36580505)flew for. I have know the family all my life and I am interested in building a model and painting it to represent the plane. If I remember correctly, his plane was camouflaged instead of just aluminum. what I don't know is the squadron so I can paint the correct letters on the side of the aircraft. When I emailed a few years ago, Mike was kind enough to give me serial number of the aircraft, which is 44-6614, but I seemed to misplace the other information such as, when he flew, he did crash in mission 303 returning from Bohlem, and I think he may have been assigned to another aircraft as well. Thank you in advance for any help that you can give.

James -
Association records for William Sibo show that he flew 19 missions as gunner with the 525th Bomb Squadron from March 2 to April 17, 1945. Records indicate missions number 292, 293, 294, 298, 299, 301, 303, 305, 306, 307, 311, 312, 313, 314, 318, 323, 324, 325, and 327. Sgt. Sibo may have flown additional missions, but these are the ones we have in our records.

Sgt Sibo flew missions on a number of different aircraft, including, as you indicate from previous correspondence, 44-6614, Squadron Code FR-F. This aircraft was a B-17G, and this late in the war would likely have been bare aluminum. This aircraft crash landed on Mission 303. Crew on that airplane for Mission 303 was as follows:

Martin Jr., James A, 2nd Lt, Pilot
Carver, Clarence E, 2nd Lt, Co-Pilot
Dell, Melvin M, 2nd Lt, Nav
Pomeroy, Robert F, Sgt, Togglier
Poovey, James H, Sgt, Radio Op
Sibo, William J, Sgt, Top Turret
Fellows, William A, Sgt, Ball Turret
Monella, Samuel H, Sgt, Tail
Martin, James A, SSgt, Spot Jammer

This response will be posted in the "Looking 4" section of our website, in case any members have any additional information. Sorry, we do not know of any photo of the referenced aircraft.

Responding 4 1/24/2006

Search No. 1316 - Bomb Load Mission 191

From: Antoon Meijers
Sent: Sat 1/21/2006
Subject: Bomb Load Mission 191

Dear sir,

I am Antoon Meijers, living in the Netherlands and using this e-mail address because I can not find another way to ask for information about a mission of the 379th Bomb Group. I have found the following information at different sources.

On 18 August 1944 the 379th Bomb Group had to attack the railroad bridge at Maastricht with 24 x B-17. (379 Bomb Group Mission # 191), (8 Airforce Mission # 652).

13 Aircraft could not find the target and bombed a railroad at Tongeren. So I think that the other 11 aircraft had bombed the bridge at Maastricht.

I know that normally RR bridges where bombed with 1000 lb. GP bombs.

I know that the B-17 named Julie II (07462) in position #3, #4 Element, High Sqdn, 41st B Gp was loaded wit 6 x 1000 lb. GP and dropped his load from 26,000 feet.

So I think that the other airplanes where loaded also with 1000 lb. GP bombs.

Can you tell if it is correct that 11 B-17's bombed the Maastricht RR bridge with a total of 66 general Purpose Bombs of 1000 lb.

Many thanks in advance.
Antoon Meijers

Mission # 191 was flown by 40 aircraft with 1 abort from the 379th BG. The low group (13) mistakenly bombed the marshalling yards at Tongers, due to poor visibility. The lead group (13) bombed the bridge at Maastricht at 25,000 feet. The High Group with aircraft 42-97462 (FO-O) JudyII, (13) bombed Maastricht at 26,000 feet.

Each aircraft was loaded with 6 ea 1000 GP bombs 78 per group, 3 groups for a total of 234 bombs . One aircraft was forced to return early and jettison its bomb load. Twenty-six aircraft attacked the primary target at Maastricht. Thirteen aircraft attacked the secondary target at Tongers.

Lead -Bombed the primary, photo’s showed a direct hit on the bridge.
Low -Bomber last resort – Tongers, photo’s show several hits on double track railway running out of town north.
High -Bombed the primary, photo’s show good results with a direct hit on the bridge.

Responding4 01/21/06

Search No.   1315 - Robert Kingston

From:  "Debra Kujawa" <>
To: <>
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 1:55 PM
Subject: Robert Kingston

Dear Sirs/Madam:

I am with the Mighty Eighth Air Force Museum in Savannah, Georgia. We are trying to locate any kind of history and/or background information on someone we believe served with the 379th. The name we have is Robert Kingston. The request is being made by Congressman Jack Kingston, Robert's grandson. Any information you can provide would be very much appreciated.

Thank you very much for your assistance!!


Debra -
Association records for Robert Kingston show that he flew 32 missions as Navigator with the 525th Bomb Squadron from June 6, 1944 to August 11, 1944. Records indicate missions number 137, 138, 139, 140, 141, 143, 145, 146, 148, 155, 158, 159, 160, 162, 164, 165, 166, 167, 168, 169, 170, 173, 174, 175, 176, 177, 179, 180, 182, 183, 185, and 187. Lt. Kingston may have flown additional missions, but these are the ones we have in our records.

Our records indicate Lt. Kingston's first combat mission was flown aboard a/c 42-102628, "The Birmingham Jewel". Crew on that airplane for Mission 137 was as follows:

Matter, Willis H, Lt, Pilot
Peterson, Edward I, Lt, Co-Pilot
Kingston, Robert J, Lt, Nav
Nelson, Cleveland K, Lt, Bomb
Selkirk, George, SSgt, Radio Op
Greenwell, Harold A, Sgt, Top Turret
Myers, Lyle G. Sgt, Ball Turret
Brethour, Clifford A, Sgt, Waist
Luneach Jr., Earl (NMI), Sgt, Tail

Cleveland Nelson is on our current Association roster. This response will be posted in the "Looking 4" section of our website, in case any members have any additional information. A photo of "The Birmingham Jewel" will be sent in separate e-mail.

Responding 4 1/18/2006

Search No.  1314 - Oliver G Burgess Jr

Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 8:00 PM

My father piloted a B-17G during WWII. I am looking for any and all information on his time and missions while he was in England. Lt. Oliver G. Burgess Jr. served during WWII, Korea, and Viet Nam. He retired as a Major, and passed away on November 1, 2000.

Mike Burgess

Sorry, we have searched our association records and are unable to find any record of Oliver G Burgess Jr in the 379th BG.

It is possible that he flew with another BG. Since you mentioned that your Father was stationed in England, a good place to go to research what Group he flew with would be The Mighty Eighth Heritage Museum. They offer research tools and archives, and are accessible on the web at

Good luck in your research.

responding4 1/16/06

Search No.   1313 - Richard Billings

From: Richard Andrews,
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 8:22 AM
Subject: Looking 4

I'm looking for Richard Billings, he served on Lt Lloyd Burns crew until the cut back to 9 crew members. We lost track of him and have been unable to fine any information on him.

Thanks for any help, Richard Andrews

Dick -
Association records for Richard Billings show that he flew 17 missions as gunner and Togglier with the 525th Bomb Squadron from April 22, 1944 to August 30, 1944. Records indicate missions number 100, 101, 102, 103, 108, 161, 162, 164, 165, 169, 186, 187, 188, 191, 193, 195, and 196. Sgt. Billings may have flown additional missions, but these are the ones we have in our records.

From the information we have in our records, following the cutback to the 9-man crew, it appears Sgt Billings flew an additional 12 missions as Nose Gunner/Togglier. These missions were flown with several different crews, however most were flown with the crew as follows:

Clare, John H, 2nd Lt, Pilot
Jones, Andrew N, 2nd Lt, Co-Pilot
Burke, Edward A, 2nd Lt, Bomb
Billings, Richard L, SSgt, Togglier
Marlier, Raymond M, Sgt, Radio Op
Mays, Virgil L, Sgt, Top Turret
Gibbs, Vencie, Sgt, Ball Turret
Bitter, Emile V, Sgt, Waist
Hopkins, John E, Sgt, Tail

This response will be posted in the "Looking 4" section of our website, in case any members have any additional information. Sorry, we have no information for Sgt Billings after August 1944, and none of the listed crewmembers are on our current Association roster.

Responding 4 1/16/2006

Search No.  1312 - Big Barn Smell

From: "Brian Ross" <>
To: <>
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 12:30 PM
Subject: Big Barn Smell

This happened to be my first day visiting your website. I had just gotten my grandfathers military records from another family member and was doing a search. As I am going through the site and hit the Crew Photo section I noticed my Grandfathers plane listed. He is on the bottom row 3rd from the left with a hat on. Ralph R. Ross.

I have a list of the crew but none of the pictures I have seem to have names associated with them. I can send you a copy of the crew list which also lists name, rank,serial# and home address of the men at that time.

Also is there some way for me to get a copy of this picture. The one I have does not have the entire crew and ground crew as this one seems to.

Brian Ross

Brian -
Association records for Ralph R Ross show that he flew 32 missions as pilot with the 524th Bomb Squadron from April 13, 1944 to June 20, 1944. Records indicate missions number 96, 97, 100, 101, 104, 106, 108, 112, 114, 115, 116, 117, 118, 119, 120, 126, 127, 128, 129, 130, 132, 134, 135, 136, 138, 139, 140, 141, 142, 143, 144, and 148. Lt. Ross may have flown additional missions, but these are the ones we have in our records.

Crew on Mission 119 to Berlin, on May 19, 1944 was as follows:

Ross, Ralph R, 1st Lt, Pilot
Drake, Francis W, 2nd Lt, Co-Pilot
Black, Ernest W, 2nd Lt, Nav
Procario, Rinaldo N, 2nd Lt, Bomb
Anthony, Wayne B, TSgt, Radio Op
Worbois, Robert J, TSgt, Top Turret
Pressler, Robert D, SSgt, Ball Turret
Duffy, Thomas J, SSgt, Waist
Prehn, Eugene D, SSgt, Tail

In an earlier response to the photo on the website, Top Turret gunner Robert Worbois (who is on our current Association roster) provided the following identifications:

Back row, L to R: Frank Janish, Mechanic; Robert Pressler, BT; Wayne Anthony, RO; Unknown; Robert Worbois, TT; Thomas Duffy, Waist G; Bruce Drynab , Mechanic

Crouching, L to R: Francis Drake, Co-Pilot; Carl Szell, Armorer; Ralph Ross, Pilot; Rinaldo Procario, Bombardier; Ernest Black, Navigator; Kenneth Harrison, Crew Chief

Sitting: John Wilson., Armorer

Tail Gunner Eugene Prehn was not available for the photo.

This response will be posted in the "Looking 4" section of our website, in case any members have any additional information. A copy of the photo from the website is attached.

Responding 4 1/11/2006

Search No.  1311 - Carl J. Holtz

From: McKeller, Karen,
To: ''
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 5:38 AM
Subject: The Coral Princess

I believe my Daddy is in the second row (standing), second from left. His name is Carl Jay Holtz. A friend had sent him his mission reports and I can't find where he was ever on the Coral Princess.........but there are several where there is no aircraft listed. I sent the picture to my cousin and aunts and one aunt wrote back saying she picked him out immediately. I don't have any idea of who the other crew members might be, is there a way to find out if this is definately my Daddy? I'd also like to know if there are any other photo's that might have him in them, you see he passed away on November 26th and I'm getting pictures together to make a DVD for the family. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you.
Jean Marie Smith, proud daughter of Carl Jay Holtz 525th Squadron of the 379th. (he was the navigator)
Thanks again!

Jean -
We're sorry to hear of your Father's passing. We'll add his name to our Taps roster.

Association records for Carl J. Holtz show that he flew 29 missions as Navigator with the 525th Bomb Squadron from November 1, 1944 to March 22, 1945. Records indicate missions number 229, 230, 232, 234, 235, 238, 239, 241, 242, 243, 246, 249, 250, 252, 255, 259, 266, 271, 276, 282, 284, 288, 289, 293, 299, 302, 304, 305 and 307. Lt. Holtz may have flown additional missions, but these are the ones we have in our records.

Lt. Holtz's first combat mission, to Gelsenkirchen, Germany on November 1, 1944, was flown in a/c 43-38716, "Miss Anoxia". Crew on this aircraft, and what looks like Lt. Holtz's regular crew, was as follows:

Sawyer, Robert C, 2nd Lt, Pilot
Einem, Harold E, F/O, Co-Pilot
Holtz, Carl J, F/O, Nav
Sanders, Haynes V, Sgt, Togglier
Vasey, Ralph C, Sgt, Radio Op
Phipps, Richard F, Sgt, Top Turret
Mcdonald, Lawrence J, Sgt, Ball Turret
Willey, Donald L, Sgt, Waist
Roundtree, Clarence P, Sgt, Tail

Haynes Sanders, Richard Phipps, and Clarence Roundtree are on our current Association roster. This response will be posted in the "Looking 4" section of our website, in case any members have any additional information. Sorry, we have no photos of the aircraft our records indicate Lt. Holtz flew missions aboard. Also, our records show "The Coral Princess" lost on July 12, 1944. With Lt. Holtz's first mission on November 1, 1944, it is unlikely he's in the photo of this aircraft, however if you have his dates of service at Kimbolton, it may be possible to further clarify whether he could be the one you've noted in the photo.

Responding 4 1/10/2006

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