From: Dave Odean;
crestliner50@mchsi.com Sent: Wednesday,
December 12, 2012 6:28 PM To:
looking4@379thbga.org Subject: Herbert L.
Odean Jr.
Hello...I am looking for any
information on Herbert L. Odean Jr. He was a
SSgt. and a tail gunner who completed 30
missions. All missions were flown from Mar. 3,
to June 6, 1944. I would be especially
interested in the crew makeup, plane serial no.,
nose art, training, etc. Thanks in advance.
---Dave Odean
Dave – Association records for Herbert
L. Odean show he flew 30 missions as gunner with
the 525th Squadron from March 3 to June 8, 1944.
Our records show missions 80, 83, 84, 85, 86,
87, 88, 90, 92, 93, 96, 97, 98, 99, 100, 101,
108, 111, 112, 114, 117, 119, 120, 125, 129,
132, 134, 135, 137, and 139. Sgt. Odean may have
flown additional missions, but these are the
ones we show in our records.
What looks
to be Sgt. Odean’s “regular” crew, possibly the
one he trained with, was as follows:
Sherwood, Paul T, 2nd Lieutenant, Pilot Dunn,
Edward J, 2nd Lieutenant, Co-Pilot Lyles,
Robert L, 2nd Lieutenant, Navigator Kane,
Stanley N, Flight Officer, Bombardier
Piatkowski, Chester J, Sergeant, Radio
Operator/Gunner Zeman Jr., Frank J, Sergeant,
Engineer/Top Turret Gunner Cooper, Joseph J,
Sergeant, Ball Turret Gunner O'Connor, Donald
A, Sergeant, Right Waist Gunner Anders, Paul
M, Sergeant, Left Waist Gunner Odean, Herbert
L, Sergeant, Tail Gunner
This response
will be posted in the "Looking 4" section of our
website, in case any members or readers have any
additional information. Sgt. Odean flew most of
his missions (23 of 30, which was fairly
unusual) in a single aircraft, s/n 42-31592,
“Nobody’s Baby”. Sorry, but we have no image of
this aircraft or crew. If you have any photos of
Sgt. Odean or his crew, we would be interested
in any copies you’d be willing to share.
Responding4 1/11/2013 Kent
Search No. 1599 - Norman E. Wolpert
From: Michael Krauss;
michael.krauss74@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 12:38 PM
To: looking4@379thbga.org
Subject: Looking for
information on my Grandfather
To whom this may
concern: I was hoping
you may have some information and pictures that
show my grandfather Norman E. Wolpert. From
previous posts I saw he was in the 379th Bomber
group and that he was a flight officer on a/c
44-6507 'Lucky Patch". I would be interested in
any information, pictures, or stories involving
his career. Regards
Michael Krauss
Michael – Association records for Norman E.
Wolpert show he flew 3 missions as co-pilot with
the 527th Squadron from April 16 to April 25,
1945. Our records show missions 326, 328, and
330. F/O Wolpert may have flown additional
missions, but these are the ones we show in our
records.
At this late point in the war,
as combat operations were coming to a close
(Mission 330 was the last combat mission flown
by the 379th Bomb Group), many incoming
replacement crews were split up to complete
crews that were trying to complete as many
missions as possible, and earn enough “points”
to be sent home. Accordingly, F/O Wolpert flew
with 2 different crews, 1 mission with the
first, and 2 with the second. That last mission
was flown in a/c 44-6507, “Lucky Patch”. Crew
was as follows:
Renfrow, Raymond T,
Flight Officer, Pilot Wolpert, Norman E,
Flight Officer, Co-Pilot Thaxton Jr., Robert
S, Flight Officer, Navigator Sistek, Paul S,
2nd Lieutenant, Bombardier Kurschner, John L,
Sergeant, Radio Operator/Gunner Crim, Robert
C, Sergeant, Engineer/Top Turret Gunner
Loughridge, William J, Corporal, Ball Turret
Gunner Smith, David D, Corporal, Tail Gunner
This response will be posted in the "Looking
4" section of our website, in case any members
or readers have any additional information. A
photo of a/c 44-6507 “Lucky Patch”, dated 10
April 1945 (crewmen pictured unknown), is being
sent separately. If you have any photos of F/O
Wolpert or his crew, we would be interested in
any copies you’d be willing to share.
Responding4 11/28/2012 Kent
Search No. 1598 - George A. Long
From: MR
HOYNES; s.h.hoynes@sbcglobal.net Sent:
Monday, November 26, 2012 12:03 PM To:
looking4@379thbga.org Subject: Information
about a WWII member
I am with the Houston
Wing of the Commemorative Air Force. We have a
small WWII museum in our hangar along with 5
flyable WWII aircraft. I am trying to improve
one of our museum exibits, which is a tablecloth
that belonged to a Red Cross Volunteer (Virginia
Rado) during her two years of overseas service
in WWII. She arrived in England in December of
44 and was assigned to the 56th Fighter Group
then in April of 45 she was assigned to the
357th Fighter Group. In December of 44 she was
assigned to the 802nd Tank Destroyer Battalion
and was with them during the "Battle of the
Bulge" and until the end of the war. She then
ran a Red Cross Club in Germany for occupation
troops until she returned home in late November
45.
Virginia carried a tablecloth with
her during her ETO service and had it signed by
people during dinners and parties put on by the
Red Cross. This tablecloth has over 60
signatures on it and I am in the process of
trying to identify as many of them as possible.
(Some are blurred and illegible but we have been
able to identify most of them, including
signatures of 9 Ace's from the two fighter
groups she was with in England.
We have
one signature from a member of the 379th Bomb
Group. G.A. Long signed the tablecloth as a
member of the 379th and I am trying to find out
some information about him. He would have signed
it sometime during 1944 while she was stationed
in England and it is possible he was a staff
officer with the group.
Is it possible
to find out if there was a G. A. Long with the
379th and if so any information about him that I
can use in our display. (full name, rank, photo,
aircraft information, etc.) I have attached a
copy of his signature on this tablecloth.
Any help you can give me would be
appreciated. Sam Hoynes Commemorative Air
Force
Sam – Association
records for George A. Long show he flew 35
missions as pilot with the 525th Squadron from
August 3 to November 23, 1944. Our records show
missions 179, 180, 182, 183, 184, 188, 191, 192,
193, 196, 199, 200, 202, 203, 205, 208, 209,
210, 212, 213, 214, 219, 220, 222, 223, 225,
227, 228, 229, 234, 235, 236, 237, 238, and 241.
Lt. Long may have flown additional missions, but
these are the ones we show in our records.
A photo identified as Lt. Long’s crew, dated
27 July 1944, is attached. Crew has been
identified as follows:
Front Row, L to R:
George A. Long; Virgil K. Grotsky; James V.
Webb; John A. Kirkham III Back Row, L to R:
John D. Ray; Amergo J. (Al) Baldazzi; Karl R.
Helmreich; Russell C. Johnson; Melvin Spencer;
David N. Rust III
This response will be
posted in the "Looking 4" section of our
website, in case any members or readers have any
additional information. Lt. Long flew his
missions, as was typical, in a number of 525th
Squadron assigned aircraft.
Responding4
11/28/2012 Kent
Search No. 1597 - Benjamin Radenskyt
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From: Michael Radensky; mdradensky@me.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 2:30 PM To:
looking4@379thbga.org
I was hoping to
find more information about Benjamin Radensky.
Michael –
Association records for Benjamin Radensky show
he flew 16 missions as radio operator/gunner
with the 525th Squadron from May 29 to August
17, 1943. Our records show missions 1, 2, 3, 4,
5, 7, 9, 10, 11, 13, 14, 16, 17, 19, 20, and 21.
Sgt. Radensky may have flown additional
missions, but these are the ones we show in our
records.
Sgt. Radensky was part of the
original group of 379th Bomb Group crews that
departed Kearney, Nebraska in early April, 1943,
flying their B-17s to their base of operations
at Kimbolton, England. He participated in the
group’s first missions, flying (as in Kearney)
as part of the Erwalt D. Wagner crew.
On
August 17, 1943, the 379th was part of a large
force striking the ball bearing works at
Schweinfurt, Germany, in the raid that became
known as “1st Schweinfurt”. The Wagner crew was
aboard a/c 42-29830, “Peter Wabbit”, which went
Missing in Action. Crew was as follows:
Wagner, Erwalt D, 1st Lieutenant, Pilot, Killed
In Action Barnard, William C, 1st Lieutenant,
Co-Pilot, Killed In Action Hilderbrand,
Joseph J, 1st Lieutenant, Navigator, Killed In
Action Gibbs, Kenneth F, 2nd Lieutenant,
Bombardier, Killed In Action Radensky,
Benjamin, Tech Sergeant, Radio Operator/Gunner,
Killed In Action Cushman, Henry I, Tech
Sergeant, Top Turret Gunner, Killed In Action
Donahue, Francis J, Staff Sergeant, Ball Turret
Gunner, Killed In Action Andruss, Eldred J,
Staff Sergeant, Right Waist Gunner, Killed In
Action Charlson, Marvin T, Staff Sergeant,
Left Waist Gunner, Killed In Action Yates,
Dean J, Staff Sergeant, Tail Gunner, Killed In
Action
This response will be posted in
the "Looking 4" section of our website, in case
any members or readers have any additional
information. A photo of “Peter Wabbit” and crew,
identified only as “A crew of the 379th…”, and
dated 24 July 1943, is being sent separately. If you can
identify Sgt. Radensky in this photo, or have
any information on the identifications of the
other men pictured, we would be grateful for
that information. If you have any other photos
of Sgt. Radensky or his crew, we would be
interested in any copies you’d be willing to
share.
Responding4 11/28/2012 Kent
Search No. 1596 - Lester A. Tullier
From: Drue Wiggins;
drue_wiggins@hotmail.com Sent: Monday,
November 19, 2012 11:31 AM To:
looking4@379thbga.org Subject: Lester A.
Tullier
Hello, I am looking for any
information or photographs of my great uncle
Lester Tullier who served in the 379th 527th.
The name of the plane was the Ensign Marry. Any
information you could provide would be greatly
appreciated. Thanks, Drue Wiggins
Drue – Association records for Lester A.
Tullier show he flew 31 missions as
engineer/gunner with the 526th Squadron from
March 26 to June 16, 1944. Our records show
missions 89, 90, 91, 93, 94, 95, 97, 98, 99,
100, 103, 105, 107, 109, 111, 113, 115, 118,
119, 124, 126, 133, 135, 136, 137, 138, 139,
140, 142, 143, and 144. Sgt. Tullier may have
flown additional missions, but these are the
ones we show in our records.
On June 16,
1944, Sgt. Tullier was flying as engineer for
the George McHugh crew in a/c 42-31648, “Ensign
Mary”, the 379th’s target being an airdrome at
Beauvails/Tille, France. The aircraft was hit by
flak over the target, and was headed for a crash
into the town of Pontpoint, France. After giving
the crew orders to bail out, the pilot stayed
with the plane and managed to prevent it from
crashing into the village. A memorial was
erected in the village and a street named in his
honor. The person on whose land “Ensign Mary”
crashed established a shrine where he found one
of its propellers. This story is told in detail
in the 379th’s Anthology, available from the PX.
Crew was as follows:
McHugh, George
(NMI), Lieutenant, Pilot, Killed In Action
Peterson, Edward I, Lieutenant, Co-Pilot, Evaded
Reese, Robert D, Lieutenant, Navigator, Prisoner
Of War Atkinson, Charles H, Lieutenant,
Bombardier, Prisoner Of War Groat, Russell J,
Tech Sergeant, Radio Operator/Gunner, Prisoner
Of War Tullier, Lester A, Tech Sergeant,
Engineer/Top Turret Gunner, Killed In Action
Shaw, Kelly J, Staff Sergeant, Ball Turret
Gunner, Evaded Thompson, George (NMI), Staff
Sergeant, Waist Gunner, Prisoner Of War
Little, Bruce S, Staff Sergeant, Tail Gunner,
Prisoner Of War
This response will be
posted in the "Looking 4" section of our
website, in case any members or readers have any
additional information. A photo identified as
the McHugh crew, taken on 7 April 1944, is being
sent separately. If you can identify Sgt.
Tullier in this photo, or have any information
on the identifications of the other men
pictured, we would be grateful for that
information. If you have any other photos of
Sgt. Tullier, his crew, we would be interested
in any copies you’d be willing to share.
Responding4 11/20/2012 Kent
Search No. 1595 - Francis H. Tolan
From: Tolan, Patrick;
pht6t@virginia.edu Sent: Tuesday, November
13, 2012 5:00 PM To: looking4@379thbga.org
Subject: Francis H. Tolan
I am looking
for information about my father's service in
WWII. He was a tail gunner on a B-17 and was
shot down in 1944 and was a POW. He died in
October 1991.
Thank you. Patrick H.
Tolan Ph. D.
Patrick – Association records for Francis H.
Tolan show he flew 8 missions as gunner with the
526th Squadron from December 18, 1944 to January
10, 1945. Our records show missions 250, 251,
252, 254, 255, 256, 257, 259, 260, 261, 263, and
264. Sgt. Tolan may have flown additional
missions, but these are the ones we show in our
records.
On January 10, 1945, the 379th
was dispatched against the airdrome at
Bonn/Hangelar, Germany. Sgt. Tolan was in the
tail gunner’s position in a/c 43-38955 (no name)
with the Leo Jordan crew. This aircraft collided
with a/c 43-38237, “Dallas Doll”. Crews were as
follows:
43-38955 Jordan, Leo L, 2nd
Lieutenant, Pilot, Prisoner Of War Byers,
John F, 2nd Lieutenant, Co-Pilot, Killed In
Action Baldwin, Robert G, 2nd Lieutenant,
Navigator, Prisoner Of War Damiani, Joseph L,
Staff Sergeant, Nose Gunner/Togglier, Killed In
Action Smallidge, Kerrane A, Tech Sergeant,
Radio Operator/Gunner, Prisoner Of War
Goberman, Charles A, Tech Sergeant, Engineer/Top
Turret Gunner, Prisoner Of War Corbin, David
E, Sergeant, Ball Turret Gunner, Prisoner Of War
Chapman, Stanton W, Sergeant, Waist Gunner,
Prisoner Of War Tolan, Francis H, Sergeant,
Tail Gunner, Prisoner Of War
43-38237
Davis, Raymond E, Major, Pilot, Killed In Action
Barley, Frederick W, 2nd Lieutenant, Co-Pilot,
Killed In Action Ramsey, Thomas W, Flight
Officer, Navigator, Killed In Action Reese,
Whitney J, Sergeant, Nose Gunner/Togglier,
Killed In Action Estlinbaum, Fred E,
Sergeant, Radio Operator/Gunner, Killed In
Action Ellis Jr., William F, Tech Sergeant,
Engineer/Top Turret Gunner, Killed In Action
Ancelet, Saul L, Sergeant, Ball Turret Gunner,
Prisoner Of War Cox, John W, Sergeant, Waist
Gunner, Killed In Action Watkins, William J,
Sergeant, Tail Gunner, Prisoner Of War
This response will be posted in the "Looking 4"
section of our website, in case any members or
readers have any additional information. Sorry,
we have no photos of Sgt. Tolan or his crew - if
you have any you’d be willing to share with us,
we would be grateful.
Responding4
11/19/2012 Kent
Search No. 1594 - Clifford N. Danielsen
From: Jim and Peggy
Danielsen; jimpeg@windstream.net Sent:
Tuesday, November 13, 2012 4:25 PM To:
looking4@379thbga.org Subject: Clifford N.
Danielsen, 379th bga.org
Looking for
information on Clifford N Danielsen, 379th the
Blue Blazing Buzzard B17
Peggy –
Association records for Clifford N. Danielsen
show he flew 5 missions as bombardier with the
524th Squadron from August 18 to September 8,
1944. Our records show missions 191, 192, 196,
197, and 199. Lt. Danielsen may have flown
additional missions, but these are the ones we
show in our records.
On September 8,
1944, the 379th’s assigned target was the
synthetic oil plant at Ludwigshafen, Germany.
Lt. Danielsen was flying as bombardier with the
Orvest G. Ellingson crew in a/c 42-31720, “The
Blue Blazing Blizzard”. This aircraft was hit by
flak, and seen to leave the formation with the
#3 engine on fire – subsequently the wing came
off, and the aircraft exploded. Crew was as
follows:
Ellingson, Orvest G, 2nd
Lieutenant, Pilot, Killed In Action Wells,
Joseph L, 2nd Lieutenant, Co-Pilot, Prisoner Of
War Collins, Merill B, 2nd Lieutenant,
Navigator, Prisoner Of War Danielsen,
Clifford N, 2nd Lieutenant, Bombardier, Killed
In Action Mansen, Roy F, Staff Sergeant,
Radio Operator/Gunner, Killed In Action
Harrell, Robert J, Staff Sergeant, Engineer/Top
Turret Gunner, Prisoner Of War Demure, Joe K,
Staff Sergeant, Ball Turret Gunner, Killed In
Action Young, Clair F, Staff Sergeant, Waist
Gunner, Prisoner Of War Tipsword, Wallace R,
Staff Sergeant, Tail Gunner, Prisoner Of War
This response will be posted in the "Looking
4" section of our website, in case any members
or readers have any additional information. A
photo of The Blue Blazing Blizzard, pictured
with an earlier crew, is being sent separately.
Sorry, we have no photo of Lt. Danielsen or his
crew - if you have any you’d be willing to share
with us, we would be grateful.
Responding4 11/15/2012 Kent
Search No. 1593 - Thomas E. Lilley
From: Elizabeth Mundell;
EMundell@Bataviacsd.org Sent: Tuesday,
November 13, 2012 7:13 AM To:
looking4@379thbga.org Subject: Thomas E.
Lilley
Hello~ I am thrilled to have
found your site! I have always known that my
grandfather (who passed away when I was little)
had flown a B17, but not much more info than
that. My dad always referred to his plane as
Topper, so anytime I searched I didn't come up
with much. My aunt just pointed out its other
name of Ol' Gappy, and now I'm on a roll! I
would love to know more about what Grandpa did,
so any information or photos you can share with
me would be amazing! His name was Thomas Edward
Lilley and he was the radioman. Also, would
you kindly add him to your taps list? Thank
you so much in advance! Have a wonderful day~
liz
Elizabeth Mundell
Liz – Association records for Thomas E.
Lilley show he flew 30 missions as radio
operator/gunner with the 524th Squadron from
June 22 to October 22, 1944. Our records show
missions 150, 152, 153, 165, 170, 171, 173, 174,
176, 177, 180, 184, 185, 186, 188, 189, 192,
194, 195, 199, 201, 204, 205, 208, 213, 216,
217, 219, 223, and 225. Sgt. Lilley may have
flown additional missions, but these are the
ones we show in our records.
What looks
to be Sgt. Lilley’s “regular” crew, at the start
of his combat tour, and possibly the one he
trained with, was as follows:
Hawthorne,
Baine A, 2nd Lieutenant, Pilot Vandenburg,
Richard H, 2nd Lieutenant, Co-Pilot Rocklage
Jr., Harry W, 2nd Lieutenant, Navigator
Whealton, Daniel J, Sergeant, Nose
Gunner/Togglier Lilley, Thomas E, Staff
Sergeant, Radio Operator/Gunner Edwards,
Robert M, Staff Sergeant, Engineer/Top Turret
Gunner Rodriquez, Eugene T, Sergeant, Ball
Turret Gunner Wensel Jr., George P, Sergeant,
Waist Gunner Woerle, Egon, Sergeant, Tail
Gunner
This response will be posted in
the "Looking 4" section of our website, in case
any members or readers have any additional
information. As you indicate from conversations
with your dad, he flew many of his missions (15
out of his 30) in a/c 42-40003, “Ol’
Gappy/Topper”. This aircraft had the distinction
of flying more missions (157) than any other
heavy bomber in the Eighth Air Force. Some
photos are being sent separately. Unfortunately,
we have no photo of Sgt. Lilley’s crew - if you
have any you’d be willing to share with us, we
would be grateful.
Responding4 11/14/2012
Kent
Search No. 1592 - Armour L. Ingram
From: Emily Trenkle; etrenkle@yahoo.com
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 9:49 AM
To: looking4@379thbga.org Subject: Looking
for Information
My father, Armour L.
Ingram was a gunner on the WWII B17, The Carol
Dawn. I am looking for any information on the
chronological events of his tour while he was
stationed in Kimbolton England and the states.
His date of birth was August 1, 1921. He
enlisted and was processed in Little Rock,
Arkansas. My father passed in July 1994. Any
information or pictures of him with the Carol
Dawn would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
Emily Ingram Trenkle
Emily – Sorry to hear about your father’s
passing. We will add his name to our Taps
roster.
Association records for Armour L.
Ingram show he flew 30 missions as tail gunner
with the 525th Squadron from May 22 to July 16,
1944. Our records show missions 122, 123, 124,
125, 126, 127, 133, 138, 139, 140, 141, 142,
143, 144, 145, 146, 147, 149, 150, 152, 153,
156, 159, 160, 161, 162, 163, 164, 165, and 166.
Sgt. Ingram may have flown additional missions,
but these are the ones we show in our records.
What looks to be Sgt. Ingram’s “regular”
crew was as follows:
King, Roy D, 2nd
Lieutenant, Pilot Krull, Robert W, 2nd
Lieutenant, Co-Pilot Gray, Gordon G, 2nd
Lieutenant, Navigator Kecker, Warren W, 2nd
Lieutenant, Bombardier Meitz, Joseph R, Staff
Sergeant, Radio Operator/Gunner Reger, Lester
W, Staff Sergeant, Engineer/Top Turret Gunner
Thompson, Manzer A, Sergeant, Ball Turret Gunner
Loerch, Robert H, Sergeant, Waist Gunner
Ingram, Armour L, Sergeant, Tail Gunner
This response will be posted in the "Looking4"
section of our website, in case any members or
readers have any additional information. A photo
of a/c 42-37805, “Carol Dawn”, is being sent
separately. The crew pictured is an earlier crew
that has been identified. We have no photos of
Sgt. Ingram or his crew – if you have any you’d
be willing to share with us, we would be
grateful.
Sorry, we have no information
on Sgt. Ingram’s pre-Kimbolton training or base
assignments.
Responding4 11/14/2012
Kent
Search No. 1591 - William A. Fellows
From: Steve Hoade; stevehoade6@yahoo.com
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 8:17 AM To:
looking4@379thbga.org Subject: Sgt. William
A. Fellows
Dear 379th My name is Steve
Hoade and my grandfather was Sgt. William A.
Fellows ball turret gunner on "Miss Liberty" and
I am looking for any info you may have on him
such as confirmed enemy aircraft shot down by
him the kia's of shipmates and I was told his
plane was shot down near Luxumburg germany. I
would like to know what yu may know of this and
lastly I know his first plane was named the
"misshap" and she only flew one mission. If you
have any info on that mission Myself and family
would be very very grateful. Thank you
p.s. if you can email me any crew photos of
the "miss liberty" I have sources who can ID him
100%
Steve – Association records for William
Fellows show he flew 20 missions as gunner with
the 525th Squadron from February 28 to April 17,
1945. Our records show missions 290, 292, 293,
294, 298, 299, 301, 303, 305, 306, 307, 311,
312, 313, 314, 318, 323, 324, 325, and 327. Sgt.
Fellows may have flown additional missions, but
these are the ones we show in our records.
What looks to be Sgt. Fellows’ “regular”
crew was as follows:
Martin, Donald R,
2nd Lieutenant, Pilot Carver, Clarence E, 2nd
Lieutenant, Co-Pilot Dell, Melvin M, 2nd
Lieutenant, Navigator Pomeroy, Robert F,
Sergeant, Nose Gunner/Togglier Poovey, James
H, Sergeant, Radio Operator/Gunner Sibo,
William J, Sergeant, Engineer/Top Turret Gunner
Fellows, William A, Sergeant, Ball Turret Gunner
Umphrey, Orval L, Sergeant, Waist Gunner
Monella, Samuel H, Sergeant, Tail Gunner
This response will be posted in the "Looking 4"
section of our website, in case any members or
readers have any additional information. A photo
of a/c 43-37570, “Miss Liberty”, dated 12 April
1945, is being sent separately. Based on the
date, it is possible the crew pictured contains
Sgt Fellows – if you recognize him in the photo,
we would be grateful for that information. If
you have any photos of Sgt. Fellows or his crew
you’d be willing to share with us, we would be
grateful.
Sorry, we have no information
on aircraft destroyed claims, or any aircraft
named Misshap. Likewise, we have no information
on a crash in Luxemburg, however on March 17,
1945, Mission 303, Sgt. Fellows and crew crash
landed in a/c 44-6614 at West Mauling, Kent due
to battle damage. Not sure if this is the
incident you describe, but this is all the
information we have.
Responding4
11/05/2012 Kent
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